Architectural press 2007 (33 risultati)

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press (edition 2007), 2007
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Paperback. Condizione: Very Good. 2007. It's a well-cared-for item that has seen limited use. The item may show minor signs of wear. All the text is legible, with all pages included. It may have slight markings and/or highlighting.

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press (edition 2007), 2007
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Da: BooksRun, Philadelphia, PA, U.S.A.BooksRun
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Paperback. Condizione: Very Good. 2007. It's a well-cared-for item that has seen limited use. The item may show minor signs of wear. All the text is legible, with all pages included. It may have slight markings and/or highlighting.

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Da: AwesomeBooks, Wallingford, Regno UnitoAwesomeBooks
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Condizione: Very Good. This book is in very good condition and will be shipped within 24 hours of ordering. The cover may have some limited signs of wear but the pages are clean, intact and the spine remains undamaged. This book has clearly been well maintained and looked after thus far. Money back guarantee if you are not satisfied. See all our books here, order more than 1 book and get discounted shipping. .…

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press (edition 2007), 2007
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Da: BooksRun, Philadelphia, PA, U.S.A.BooksRun
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Paperback. Condizione: Very Good. 2007. It's a well-cared-for item that has seen limited use. The item may show minor signs of wear. All the text is legible, with all pages included. It may have slight markings and/or highlighting.

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press (edition 2007), 2007
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Da: BooksRun, Philadelphia, PA, U.S.A.BooksRun
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Paperback. Condizione: Very Good. 2007. With dust jacket. It's a well-cared-for item that has seen limited use. The item may show minor signs of wear. All the text is legible, with all pages included. It may have slight markings and/or highlighting.

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Condizione: Very Good. Shipped within 24 hours from our UK warehouse. Clean, undamaged book with no damage to pages and minimal wear to the cover. Spine still tight, in very good condition. Remember if you are not happy, you are covered by our 100% money back guarantee.

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press (edition 2007), 2007
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Da: BooksRun, Philadelphia, PA, U.S.A.BooksRun
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Paperback. Condizione: Very Good. 2007. It's a well-cared-for item that has seen limited use. The item may show minor signs of wear. All the text is legible, with all pages included. It may have slight markings and/or highlighting.

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Da: Hennessey + Ingalls, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.Hennessey + Ingalls
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Hardcover. Condizione: New. In 1989, Princeton Architectural Press published 'Anchoring,' the first book on the work of the then up-and-coming architect Steven Holl. Since then, Holl has become one of the most famous and highly regarded architects in the world through his award-winning residential and institutional work; his teaching, writings, and drawings; and his persistent vision of an architecture that takes into consideration its place, time, and all the senses of the viewer. This philosophy helped to create some of the richest and most celebrated buildings of the past several decades. Indeed, in 2001, 'Time' magazine called Holl 'America's Best Architect for 'buildings that satisfy the spirit as well as the eye.'' Sequels to 'AnchoringIntertwining and Parallax'chronicled Holl's work from the period 1988 to 1995. 'House' brings us up-to-date on Holl's most recent residences and collects his best-known projects from the past including a total of fifteen of Holl's residential works. Rather than having an unvarying style, these houses aim at the sometimes elusive ideal of the specific. Each house tackles a different design challenge, using site as the physical and metaphysical foundation upon which to build. Fusing building and situation, Holl creates a unique expression in each home. Beautiful andinnovative, the houses span the globe, ranging from a secluded location in Hawaii, to the Catskill Mountains of New York, to Martha's Vineyard, to the Hague in the Netherlands. Each project is accompanied by Holl's charming watercolor building studies as well as an insightful explanation of how he was inspired by the land upon which the house sits and how the sumptuous materials utilized reflect the spirit of the location. BEAUTIFUL COPY!!.…

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Da: Hennessey + Ingalls, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.Hennessey + Ingalls
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Trade Paperback. Condizione: Used - Very Good. More than 150 years old and still going strong, the Iowa State Fair is an American institution that wasrecently selected by bestselling author Patricia Schultz as one of the '1000 Places to See Before You Die.' Once an opportunity for country folk to come to town, experience the community of fellow farmers, and show off the fruits of their labor, today the fair attracts more than one million attendees from urban, suburban, and rural locales. They are all longing for an authentic American experience, a celebration of the abundance of our land, and the talents of our people. 'Iowa State Fair' isthe first comprehensive history of this extraordinary confluence of cows and corn dogs, midwestern culture, and classic Americana. 'Iowa State Fair' samples every flavor at the fair, from the fairy tale State Fair of the Rodgers &Hammerstein musical to the surreal site of staged locomotive collisions to Norma Duffield Lyons 2000 pound butter sculpture of 'The Last Supper.' Beauty-queen contestants, fans of Kid Rock and Kenny Chesney, 30,000 annual blue ribbon winners, and deep fried Twinkie eaters fill itspages with visual delight. Author Thomas Leslie brings the fair to life, recounting its fascinating background and noting why today it is more popular than ever. Like the fair itself, this book celebrates the state's agricultural heritage and provides a heartwarming portrait of an event that is, quite literally, as American as apple pie. 'Iowa State Fair' will please the fairgoer in all of us. Last year's 1,013,063 attendees can't be wrong.…

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Da: Hennessey + Ingalls, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.Hennessey + Ingalls
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Trade Paperback. Condizione: Used - Very Good. Smart Growth advocates, environmentalists, and New Urbanists have all tried in their own ways to spread the message of reforming current land use patterns. Their solutions are often criticized for being overly prescriptive, opposed to growth, or nostalgic. 'Suburban Transformations' offers an alternative to these practices while synthesizing many of the ideas and proposals that they put forth. Both a work of theory and a practical tool for suburban community planning, the book introduces the adaptive design process: a method that allows for the organic transformation of communities from siteless suburbs and edge cities into places with their own distinct identity and unique character. Five case studies provide fully expressed examples of the process, beginning with a sophisticated system of mapping and culminating in computer projections of likely future outcomes, giving the designer the ability to project changes in the community fabric and adding that knowledge to the designer's kit of place-making tools. Very nice clean, tight copy free of any marks. Previous owner stamped his name on bottom text edge.…

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Da: Sutton Books, Norwich, VT, U.S.A.Sutton Books
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Condizione: Nuovo
EUR 22,98
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Soft cover. Condizione: New. pbk 176pp square small 4to a new and unread copy excellent clean tight unmarked as new.

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press September 2007, 2007
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Da: Eagle Eye Books, Decatur, GA, U.S.A.Eagle Eye Books
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Hardcover. Condizione: Remainder.

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Trade Paperback. Condizione: Used - Very Good. One cold December morning, Dori HadarDJ by night, criminal investigator by daywas digging through crates of records at a flea market in Washington, D.C. There he stumbled into the elaborate world of Mingering Mikea soul superstar of the 1960s and '70s who released an astonishing 50 albums and at least as many singles in just 10 years. But Hadar had never heard of him, and he realized why on closer inspection: every album in the crates was made of cardboard. Each package was intricately crafted, complete with gatefold interiors, extensive liner notes, and grooves drawn onto the 'vinyl.' Some albums were even covered in shrinkwrap, as if purchased at actual record stores. The crates contained nearly 200 LPs and 45s by Mingering Mike, as well as other artists like Joseph War, the Big 'D,' and Rambling Ralph, on labels such as Sex Records, Decision, and Ming/War. There werealso soundtracks to imaginary films, a benefit album for sickle cell anemia, and a tribute to Bruce Lee. Hadar put his detective skills to work and soon found himself at the door of the elusive man responsible for this alternate universe of funk. Their friendship blossomed and Mike revealed the story of his life and his many albums, hit singles, and movie soundtracks. A solitary boy raised by his brothers, sisters, and cousins, Mike lost himself in a world of his own imaginary superstardom, basing songs and albums on his and his family's experiences. Early teenage songs obsessed with love and heartache soon gave way to social themes surrounding the turbulent era of civil rights protests and political upheavalbrought even closer to home when Mike himself went underground dodging the Vietnam War. In 'Mingering Mike,' Hadar tells the story of a man and his myth: the kid who dreamed of being a star and the fantastical 'careers' of the artists he created. All of Mingering Mike's best albums and 45s are presented in full color, finally bringing to the star the adoring audience he always imagined he had. Very nice clean, tight copy free of any marks.…

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Da: Sainsbury's Books Pty. Ltd., Camberwell, VIC, AustraliaSainsbury's Books Pty. Ltd.
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EUR 9,70
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Small 4to. 375pp. black & white illustrations. A very good paperback copy, corners lightly bent. Previous owner's name.

Editore: New York : Princeton Architectural Press, 2007, 2007
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Da: Steven Wolfe Books, Newton Centre, MA, U.S.A.Steven Wolfe Books
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Aggiungi al carrello, Lukez, Paul, 1958-. Suburban Transformations. New York : Princeton Architectural Press, 2007, stated First Edition, 191pp., tall sewn PAPERBACK, very good, old price label on rear cover, previous owner's name and date inside. "Both a work of theory and a practical tool for suburban community planning, Suburban Transformations introduces the Adaptive Design Process, a method that allows for the organic transformation of communities from suburbs and edge cities that lack a sense of place into communities with their own distinct identity and unique character.". ISBN 9781568986838.…

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: New York, Princeton Architectural Press 2007, 2007
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Da: Antiquariaat Schot, Hendrik-Ido-Ambacht, Paesi BassiAntiquariaat Schot
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159 (1) p. Hardcover with dustjacket (Exteriors of the dustjacket slightly rubbed, otherwise in good condition.).
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Editore: Princeton Architectural Press 2007, 2007
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Da: Gaabooks, Chester, VT, U.S.A.Gaabooks
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EUR 22,98
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Aggiungi al carrelloFirst edition. F/F condition. Signed by one of the author's, Tom Jury, June 2007.

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Stated first edition, published by Princeton Architectural Press, New York, 2007., 2007
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Da: Jerry Merkel, XENIA, OH, U.S.A.Jerry Merkel
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Condizione: Usato - Quasi ottimo
EUR 45,97
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Hardcover. Condizione: Near Fine. No Jacket. 1st Edition. Very good to fine condition. Top of spine is lightly bumped. A few very light scratches on back cover. 144 pages with a bibliography and many illustrations. 4to size.

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Da: Hennessey + Ingalls, Los Angeles, CA, U.S.A.Hennessey + Ingalls
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Hardcover. Condizione: Used - Very Good. Snapshots, passenger lists, itineraries, and postcards from San Francisco flapper Vera Talbot's Far East adventure. Chicagoan Clara E. Whitcomb's travel diary containing pages filled with souvenir photos, maps, and a list of titles for a future book about her travels in Egypt. These are only two of the narratives that unfold in the beautifully designed pages of 'Around the World.' From Cairo to Burma and back again, authors Barbara Levine and Kirsten Jensen transport readers back tothe dawn of world travel when, Brownie cameras in tow, the middle class toured the world for the first time and painstakingly documented their discoveries within scrapbooks, diary entries, and pasted-on souvenir postcards. 'Around the World' traces the development of the travel photo album, from primarily narrative formsships' logs and diariesinto rich multimedia objects of sublime beauty. The book features a wealth of turn-of-the- twentieth-century photographs and ephemera such as passports, ship menus, calling cards, and newspaper clippings. 'Around the World' evokes the pleasures of a time when the surroundings were taken in slowly and travel was an art in and of itself. Book has minor shelf wear.…
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press Princeton 2007, 2007
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Da: Andrew Barnes Books / Military Melbourne, Melbourne, VIC, AustraliaAndrew Barnes Books / Military Melbourne
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Aggiungi al carrello1st edition softback with stiff wrappers Nice copy quarto 256pp., col. & b/w illusts., This visual catalogue demonstrates the graphic-art capabilities of a small subset of typographers who still believe in working by hand; collects an incredible universe of hand-drawn typography exploring the work of fifty-five typographers and graphic designers who are making new strides by the originality of their work; among others: Holly Hopkinson, Lure Ramsey, Robin Camron, Sefan Marx, & Deanne Cruk.…
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press 2007, 2007
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Da: Hard to Find Books NZ (Internet) Ltd., Dunedin, OTAGO, Nuova ZelandaHard to Find Books NZ (Internet) Ltd.
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Condizione: Usato
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Aggiungi al carrelloImperial octavo, illus heavy boards, white lettering to spine, illus/photos to prelims, 223pp, illus/photos, VG+ (light bruising to spine extrems, light tanning & soiling to page edges, [author's?] signature to title page) in d/w, VG+ (light creasing to edges, light chafing & soiling).

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Da: Butterfly Books GmbH & Co. KG, Herzebrock-Clarholz, GermaniaButterfly Books GmbH & Co. KG
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EUR 26,12
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Softcover. Condizione: Sehr gut. 1. Auflage. 208 Seiten Vincent James Associate Architects Zustand: Seiten mit stärkeren Gebrauchsspuren, Einband leicht geknickt, insgesamt GUTER Zustand. HC1-300-5/8-00090430 Sprache: Englisch Gewicht in Gramm: 747.
Altre immaginiLingua: Inglese
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press January 2007, 2007
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Da: Reclaimed Bookstore, Richmond, VA, U.S.A.Reclaimed Bookstore
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EUR 91,94
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Trade Paperback. Condizione: Used. Condizione sovraccoperta: Very Good. First Edition. Used Very Good 1st edition with full number line. Minor bumps/wear at edges/corners. Pages are clean and bright. Spine is straight and tight.
Editore: Princeton Architectural Press New York 2007, 2007
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Da: Andrew Barnes Books / Military Melbourne, Melbourne, VIC, AustraliaAndrew Barnes Books / Military Melbourne
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EUR 40,09
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Aggiungi al carrelloreprint stiff wrappers New Book oblong octavo vii + 111pp., col. & b/w pls., bibliog., Nice reproductions.

Editore: New York: Princeton Architectural Press, 2007, 2007
Da: Trevian Books, Piermont, NY, U.S.A.Trevian Books
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Condizione: Usato - Molto buono
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Aggiungi al carrelloCondizione: Very Good. Trade catalog for the English architectural firm of Smout Allen. First edition. 21.5 cm; 80 pp.; illustrated from photographs, plans, and drawings. Owner's name; else a very good copy or better in pictorial wrappers.

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Da: Berliner Büchertisch eG, Berlin, GermaniaBerliner Büchertisch eG
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EUR 59,98
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Hardcover. Condizione: Gut. Auflage: 1. 288 Seiten Gutes Exemplar, geringe Gebrauchsspuren, Cover/SU berieben/bestoßen, innen alles in Ordnung; Good copy, light signs of previous use, cover/dust jacket shows some rubbing/wear, interior in good condition D230206axh14 ISBN: 9781568986968 Sprache: Englisch Gewicht in Gramm: 1395. …

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Da: BUCHSERVICE / ANTIQUARIAT Lars Lutzer, Wahlstedt, GermaniaBUCHSERVICE / ANTIQUARIAT Lars Lutzer
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Condizione: gut. Identity by Design. In englischer Sprache. pages.

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Da: Harry Alter, Sylva, NC, U.S.A.Harry Alter
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hardcover. Condizione: Very Good. Princeton Architectural Press, c.2007, 1st., 8-1/4"x10-1/4", pictorial boards, 224pp., signed by author on title-page, NF/NF $.

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: New York: Princeton Architectural Press, 2007., 2007
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Da: Ted Kottler, Bookseller, Redondo Beach, CA, U.S.A.Ted Kottler, Bookseller
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EUR 275,81
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Hardcover. Condizione: Near Fine. Condizione sovraccoperta: Near Fine. 1st Edition. Frontispiece, 224 pp; illus. Original cloth, large 8vo. Near Fine, in near fine dust jacket (unclipped). Flat signed on the title page by Guerrero in black Sharpie. 'Guerrero has a very warm and living relationship with the artists he photographs. He is magnificent. He doesn't just go and take official looking photographs. He's with the artists, he understands them, and he's right at the heart of what their work is all about' (Jean Lipman, founding editor, Art in America). 'Pedro Guerrero spent his entire career, more than 60 years, photographing houses of some of the most illustrious American architects and artists of the twentieth century. Emerging from a modest background, his first professional job at the age of twenty-two in 1939 was photographing Taliesin West, the Arizona home of Frank Lloyd Wright. For the next 20 years, Guerrero was the chief visual interpreter of Wright's home. Guerrero was soon photographing houses belonging to such legendary artists and architects as Alexander Calder, Louise Nevelson, Marcel Breuer, John Huston, Philip Johnson, Julia Child, Edward Stone, and Alexi Brodovitch. Spanning nearly a century, Pedro E. Guerrero: A Photographer's Journey is a fascinating memoir illustrated with over 190 of the author's own photographs. Guerrero steps out from behind the camera and, for the first time, tells his own story along with the stories of the contradictory and complex lives of the extraordinary people he has known, including candid anecdotes about the personal quirks of some of America's legendary magazine editors, architects, and artists. Pedro Guerrero's photographs have appeared in numerous publications worldwide, including the New York Times Magazine, Harper's Bazaar, Vogue, Architectural Record, Travel and Leisure, and House and Garden. He has contributed photographs to many books and has been exhibited in galleries and museums throughout the world. He lives in Florence, Arizona' (Princeton Architectural Press Web site). Signed by Author(s).…

Lingua: Inglese
Editore: Japan: YKK Architectural Products, 1995 ? and Monacelli Press, 2007, 2007
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Da: ANARTIST, New York, NY, U.S.A.ANARTIST
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EUR 367,75
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Two separate books, both unpaginated with djs. The books are very similar except the Japanese 1st edition of this book has a slightly different dj, a clear plastic slipcase and slightly different layout including English and Japanese text. The Monacelli book is in as new condition; in the Japanese 1st edtion; the still bound pages are almost separated from the spine but this is actually hard to notice when reading the book because of the way the dj wraps around the book and holds everything together; otherwise the Japanese book very good except for a few light scratches to the plastic slipcase including wear to the orange spine edge of the slipcase. Foreign shipping may be extra.…